tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post116290087223483265..comments2023-09-23T12:13:10.019+00:00Comments on December Quinn, Erotic Romance<br>Stacia Kane, Sexy Urban Fantasy: Urban Fantasy ThoughtsStaciahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1163535285592503142006-11-14T20:14:00.000+00:002006-11-14T20:14:00.000+00:00Urban Fantasy, 3rd person: Echo and Narcissus, Mar...Urban Fantasy, 3rd person: Echo and Narcissus, Mark SiegelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1163021164841836742006-11-08T21:26:00.000+00:002006-11-08T21:26:00.000+00:00i haven't read any, either. tho rachel caine was a...i haven't read any, either. tho rachel caine was an author at our little f/sf conference. she does the weatherwarden series which is uf, and paranormal romance as well.<BR/>http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_/002-0781601-5918464?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=rachel+cainecindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13911692378593865493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1163017166218956262006-11-08T20:19:00.000+00:002006-11-08T20:19:00.000+00:00First person bugs me. I never feel like I can trus...First person bugs me. I never feel like I can trust it. It's just a basic understanding of human nature--the desire to be seen as tough and smart, the reluctance to admit you're wrong, or to confess to acting stupid or childish or unfair. <BR/><BR/>First person is like a personal ad. "I'm a SWF, tall, thin, attractive, super-great fighter with a sensitive side, I like long walks on the beach," etc. You never read one that says "I'm a SWF, I get bitchy once a month, I tend to blame others for my unhappiness, I have stretch-marks and chronic halitosis." <BR/><BR/>People have great difficulty being honest about their flaws. Taking a character's word for everything is just a bit of a stretch. I would find it easier to trust a first person POV of, say, a pedophile, because I at least know what he's omiting and lying about. With a kick-ass first person heroine--and don't get me wrong, I love Xena and Buffy and Lara Croft as much as anyone--I just get the impression I'm only being told half the story.<BR/><BR/>As for KAHs getting their asses kicked, my MC does--but she's not a UF character.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1163001922962507062006-11-08T16:05:00.000+00:002006-11-08T16:05:00.000+00:00Robyn, I'm with you on The Fifth Element. Great mo...Robyn, I'm with you on The Fifth Element. Great movie! :-)s.w. vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102544611773720262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162979764820400402006-11-08T09:56:00.000+00:002006-11-08T09:56:00.000+00:00Lol, Bettie, and that's very true I think. It's ea...Lol, Bettie, and that's very true I think. It's easier to build your own world with its own rules than it is to fit your story into the existing one. (At least, it is in the planning stage. I don't mean to imply that it's easy to build that world while writing it.)<BR/><BR/>And don't get me started on people doubting your research. You can give people a list of your sources and they still won't listen. Urgh.Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162979584175014552006-11-08T09:53:00.000+00:002006-11-08T09:53:00.000+00:00See, Isabelle, as I said I don't mind first person...See, Isabelle, as I said I don't mind first person. I prefer, third, but I don't hate it. I just don't like first person sex scenes. This may sound fnny coming from someone who writes erotic, but there's an...indelicacy about a first person sex scene I find offputting. "He touched my <I>x</I>. He lifted me over him" or whatever. It just feels like the narrator is being a little too open with me. It's that private bone again, I guess.<BR/><BR/>I agree, Jenn. I write third, and my WIP doesn;t go into the hero's POV at all, but I'm still allowed to interpret him a little more broadly because I'm not in first. I thought of going into his POV, but he's actually sort of a mysterious character and I decided it would be better if the readers don't know that much about him.<BR/>And I don't mind a genuine sparring match. That's sexy. I just hate when the heroine always wins, because she is <I>teh strongest</I> or whatever. Like, what's the point then?Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162973936705984972006-11-08T08:18:00.000+00:002006-11-08T08:18:00.000+00:00I always wonder why they have to be "futuristics."...<I>I always wonder why they have to be "futuristics." What's wrong with "now"?</I><BR/><BR/>Because "now" requires research, and no matter how much research you do, someone will write you a letter that reads, "Dear Author, On page 123 of your novel 'Love's Percussive Blast' you referred to the hero's gun as a Czech-made M-84 when <I>any idiot</I> could tell you that the correct name for that particular firearm is the Skorpion, vzor 61. Next time, do some research, ok?"<BR/><BR/>Well, that's my theory for it. And, also, my excuse. Now, if you'll pardon me, I must return to my writing. My intrepid heroine was just about to defend herself from three laserblade-wielding attackers. I think I'll have her make her getaway in a flying car...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162947608571091452006-11-08T01:00:00.000+00:002006-11-08T01:00:00.000+00:00Gotta say I hate first person anything. Anything. ...Gotta say I hate first person anything. <BR/><BR/>Anything. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure this will make me grossly unpopular, but hey. That's how it is. <BR/><BR/>I did like the Bridget Jones narrative for the film though. Other than that.. nuh-uh.<BR/><BR/>Especially ick for sex. I want to watch it - not hear a self narrative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162933058774392282006-11-07T20:57:00.000+00:002006-11-07T20:57:00.000+00:00I'd much rather read third person than first. I th...I'd much rather read third person than first. I think the "pictures" are more vivid. I do write in first person, though, for the practice. It helps me clarify my thinking. Then I rewrite in third.<BR/><BR/>~chuckling~ I'm not much into severe KA heroines...they hurt! And, I'd rather be on top...um...to "finish right".Erik Ivan Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245949077955844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162923687646516292006-11-07T18:21:00.000+00:002006-11-07T18:21:00.000+00:00I totally agree, Robyn! (As always).I love guys wh...I totally agree, Robyn! (As always).<BR/><BR/><BR/>I love guys who just jump in and get the f*cking job done. Don't tell us he's the toughest without showing us, you know?<BR/><BR/>No, I've never seen a KA heroine lose. Very annoying, that is. I'm keeping it in mind for future.Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162921783876630942006-11-07T17:49:00.001+00:002006-11-07T17:49:00.001+00:00If I can bring in a movie- my fave futuristic kick...If I can bring in a movie- my fave futuristic kickass heroine flick is "The Fifth Element." Milla Jovovich was a helpless waif AND Xena, and my favorite operatic aria was sung beautifully! How can you lose?<BR/><BR/>With any kickass protag, my main bone of contention is this: Heroes are set up as the Toughest. Coldest. Most Ruthless. Evah. But he gets his butt kicked regularly, always almost losing the last battle and barely ekeing out victory. Just once I really want to see these guys clearing the room, you know? Or not getting sucker-punched after reading for 1/3 of the book about how he has the Senses Of A Jungle Cat.<BR/><BR/>But KA heroines never get beaten up. Never. You may have read one (please tell me they're out there!)but I haven't. If I'm supposed to believe they can dish it out, they should take it too, shouldn't they? Lose a fight once in awhile, please!Robynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13857307804942257484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162921765924789262006-11-07T17:49:00.000+00:002006-11-07T17:49:00.000+00:00I am at this moment writing a third-person limited...I am at this moment writing a third-person limited POV urban fantasy with absolutely zero KAH content.<BR/><BR/>I must shamefully admit that I'm not widely read in the urban fantasy department. Just finished reading Nora Roberts' "Dance of the Gods," which may possibly be considered UF, and is written in third-person limited (with, in my opinion, far too much head-hopping for comfort... I'm still dizzy. I love ya, Nora, but damn. Settle down.)<BR/><BR/>Have you read the Anita Blake series? I have not. Is that first person?<BR/><BR/>So ends my meandering comment. :-)s.w. vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102544611773720262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162918223991433532006-11-07T16:50:00.000+00:002006-11-07T16:50:00.000+00:00I'm right there with you on the kick-ass heroines,...I'm right there with you on the kick-ass heroines, Bernita. I like to read about ordinary women finding their strength, not women whol are already tough as nails.<BR/><BR/>Exactly, JTC. Give me a little more to go on than just new words and things, tell me what it looks like, feels like.<BR/><BR/>I do enjoy first person, Sam and everyone. Some of my favorite books are first person. I'm just wondering why there seems to be so little UF in third person.Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162914463760516702006-11-07T15:47:00.001+00:002006-11-07T15:47:00.001+00:00love, not live. Argh.love, not live. <BR/>Argh.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05943062466398436785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162914430264935972006-11-07T15:47:00.000+00:002006-11-07T15:47:00.000+00:00I live different POV's - first person is one of my...I live different POV's - first person is one of my favorites though.<BR/>I read the coolest urban fantasy called 'Arial' but I don't remember who the author was. Very, very cool book about technology disappearing one day, being replaced by mythical creatures.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05943062466398436785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162906575759023942006-11-07T13:36:00.000+00:002006-11-07T13:36:00.000+00:00The POV really doesn't matter that much to me, at ...The POV really doesn't matter that much to me, at least that my small brain has noticed. But, I think you are right about taking more time to develop the world. I am a visual person and like to form those scenes in my head. One of the things that makes movies like Blade Runner and even Demolition Man, Total Recall in sci-fi, etc. so appealing to me is I guess what you would call the set design. The created world of those movies just reaches out and pulls me into the story (and it's more than JUST the visuals, it's the language, etc.). It should be the same in books. -JTCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19623437.post-1162904521452035252006-11-07T13:02:00.000+00:002006-11-07T13:02:00.000+00:00I always wonder why they have to be "futuristics."...I always wonder why they have to be "futuristics."<BR/>What's wrong with "now"?<BR/>There'a a great creep/excitemment factor imbedded in the scenario of something existing, subterranean, that the general population does not recognize.<BR/>And WTF is wrong with equality between men and women? Combining strengths and different abilities?<BR/> A kick-ass heroine, to me, means someone with mental strength, someone who can, if necessary, fight dirty and physically, not a woman who beats up everyone including the hero.<BR/>I enjoy reading first person though.Bernitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264585685253812090noreply@blogger.com